Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aedy Moward

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)‎ Allan Nonymous (talk) 16:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aedy Moward[edit]

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Can't seem to find any other sources on this guy besides the one Tempo article, which is an obit. Hence, unless somebody can find better sources of this guy's career, he fails WP:GNG. Allan Nonymous (talk) 01:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about the two book sources that are cited? In multiple AFDs, you seem to be discounting those without explanation. Jfire (talk) 03:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

:Keep There is no indication that the nominator has done WP:BEFORE before creating a deletion page [1]. He also lack the ability to understand about Indonesian subject and notability of sources used in the article as he did here in other nomination page that he created [2] [3]. Also for your information, an obituary is a biography [4]. And there's a plenty of sources about the subject [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], and more. 202.43.93.9 (talk) 04:02, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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— Removed, per WP:SOCKSTRIKE 20:16, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Pls maintain civility and no attacks! All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 10:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Indonesia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Clearly passes NACTOR through roles in Darah dan Doa, Enam Djam di Jogja, Oma Irama Penasaran, Lewat Djam Malam, Raja Dangdut, Si Mamad and Embun. Probably also passes GNG through sources in article. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 11:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. Just open the G Books link....Can we please stop with those Afds about notable Indonesian actors?-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:NACTOR per above, and I fear a lack of due diligence before nominating. (reworded for civility) Toadspike (talk) 14:23, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To address your WP:BEFORE concerns here, I did take a look at Google Books here. The coverage on google books seemed to be largely tangential (getting mentioned on one page of a book on something else) or part of group coverage (film festivals). While it is true that there is a case for WP:NACTOR, it is not clear whether the actor in question really had "notable" roles in these films (given his characters almost never appear on the plot summaries), it may have been the case that he played secondary characters. This is one of the reasons I created AfD, to asses the notability of his roles and whether they are "significant". Allan Nonymous (talk) 17:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moward is listed as starring in all of the films mentioned above. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 22:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sources in the article are also enough for GNG. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 22:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, I only listed films that currently have articles on English Wikipedia. Moward has starred in many more. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 23:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for better explaining your argument. I now understand your point of view better and acknowledge that this case is not very clear-cut.

The book in question appears to be a biographical dictionary of Indonesian film. Unfortunately, from Google Books, I cannot see his full entry; the table of contents shows it is less than one page long. But that Moward has his own entry means, for notability purposes, this is more than a "tangential" mention in a "book on something else" – this is a deliberate inclusion in a list of people significant to Indonesian film.

His winning a Citra Award for Best Supporting Actor, the highest honor in Indonesian film, speaks against the idea that he only played minor, insignificant characters, and he might even qualify under the first criteria of WP:ANYBIO. Toadspike (talk) 10:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Toadspike: No attacks following this thread I am disappointed in nom's lack of due diligence. Maintain WP's civility and if you have any issue with the editor, try sorting it out in the editors talk page and not on AFDs! All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 10:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies to the nominator, I realize that was excessively harsh. Toadspike (talk) 10:06, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Passes WP:NACTOR. Toughpigs (talk) 21:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per toadspike and toughpigs JarrahTree 05:12, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep Looking back, I feel my interpretation WP:NACTOR in this case was a bit conservative. Will withdraw nom. Allan Nonymous (talk) 16:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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